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Your essay is very thoughtful and important. You name something many of us feel but struggle to articulate, the increasingly open delight taken in the suffering of people seen as “bad.” You draw a careful and necessary distinction between justice and cruelty. Consequences can be justified. Strong criticism is often necessary. But enjoyment of suffering, especially when amplified by tribalism and social media, corrodes both the individual and the culture.

Here is what I took from your key points.

You distinguish between those who commit material harm, those who hold objectionable views, and those who are simply symbolic representatives of groups others resent. You show how easily those categories get blurred. You defend the need for proportionate consequences and strong critique in a liberal democracy. At the same time, you argue that pleasure in cruelty damages character and erodes social norms. And your framing of dehumanization as shrinking the circle of moral concern, rather than literally denying someone’s humanity, feels especially clarifying.

At a gut level, this resonates with me deeply. It feels morally right. It fits with a virtue-ethical way of thinking that asks not only whether something is justified, but what kind of person I am becoming by indulging it. Even when consequences are warranted, delight in suffering changes something in us. I think you are right about that.

Where my mind goes next is to systems.

You focus, rightly, on the moral formation of individuals. But I keep asking what happens inside organizations and movements that live in the kind of environment you describe. The incentives of modern discourse often reward outrage, humiliation, and moral grandstanding. There is a real tax on the person who tries to remain proportionate and restrained. It costs social capital. It costs emotional energy. It can cost status.

Without leadership, systems tend to slide.

In my experience, the only reliable way an organization resists that slide is through leadership that does some very specific things. The leader has to name the boundary clearly and say accountability is not the same as enjoyment. The leader has to separate justice from vengeance. The leader has to discipline their own side when cruelty becomes entertainment. The leader has to refuse the cheap status that comes from humiliating opponents. And the leader has to offer a higher identity than simple tribal loyalty.

If that does not happen, what you get is a quiet struggle between individuals who have the moral framework you describe and a system that constantly nudges them in a harsher direction. Over time, many conscientious people simply withdraw to protect themselves. That is not necessarily weakness. Often it is exhaustion. The moral tax becomes too high.

I also think this is one reason religious traditions build in regular practices that reorient people toward higher standards. Whether one shares that framework or not, the structural insight remains the same. Individuals need reinforcement if they are going to resist corrosive incentives over time.

So I see your essay as an essential moral reminder at the level of the person. I would only add that if we want to preserve the kind of culture you are defending, leaders have to make decency cheaper and cruelty more costly within their own communities. Otherwise the slope you describe will continue to win by default.

Thank you for writing this. It is an argument that needs to be made clearly and without sentimentality, and you did that well

Death-by-Coconut's avatar

well done. we can certainly do better than the politics of schadenfreude. or reverse schadenfreude for that matter.

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